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		<title>By: byderule</title>
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		<description>you gave a long question so you can expect a long answer,and it was not from the brains it was from world events 

DESERTIFICATION
this text is limited to effects of people in the country,industrial effects on the environment and the internal combustion engine as well as the over all effects of cities ,is another story

and some benificial attitudes thrown in gratis

POLITICS
ecologists and scientists who work for politicians ,get paid by these politicians and they have downplayed the facts because solutions are expensive and means change and change effects many peoples incomes,and upsets profit margins,so most of the world is kept in the dark of the real things that are going on.

most people doubt if humanity affects climate change

thousands of people have no doubt about it and the many who are dead are past caring 

many people forget about desertification 
desserts are like a fire they gobble up the edges with the heat and so grow.

when forrest are being exchanged for ashalt,concrete and desserts 
what is gonna keep this planet habitable for us 

climate change is caused for a large part  by desertification ,and most desertification is caused by man 
the thinner ozone layer helps to speed this up.and this is caused mainly by air polution ,also as a result of mans actions 

IN THE PAST 
the Building of the Spanish Armada deforrested Spain 
the Phoenician trading fleet turned Lebanon in a dessert
Ganges Khan put everything to the sword and torch, then filled the wells with sand, 
the sun finished of the job and whole countries turned to wastelands. 

TODAY
the effects of modern day farming

Slash and burn destroys the protective vegetation (which helps to form the soil ), 
leaving it open to the Sun ,and then ,wind and, water erosion. 
The Plough turns the soil ,killing micro-biotic life (essential to soil building) and accelerates the drying out . 
Pressures of the :vehicles, cattle and rain impact brings the salt to the surface. 

Mono cultures ,aided by chemicals Exhaust and pollutes the soil . 
Adding to this the effects of overgrazing has resulted in large scale desertification.

expanding populations and expanding farming ,that has to keep pace with the expanding populations are very strong forces that encroach upon the rainforest&#039;s 
clearing them for farming and settlement areas .
 
Rainforest&#039;s always are in third world countries and always in third world countries corruption and the need for money s highest 

: i have seen lands that have been turned from jungle into desserts by people in a matter of a couple of years ,because of the slash and burn method used by settlers and expanding agriculture,and i have seen rivers dry up because of deforrestation in many places in Africa and Mexico ,

there are natural cycles in the planets life 
but a lot is influenced by mans existance ,and this is increasing with overpopulation,putting strains on Natural resources and increasing contaminations as well as destructions of essential componants the ensure living conditions for all life forms

in North Africa,India,Mexico ,millions of people are effected by land loss and desertification and some have died as a result

in china, thousands of what used to be farmers are running for their lives from the dust storms that have burried their towns and turned their lands into dessert,

,the Sahara is growing by 7 kilometers a year
and all of the desserts we know are a results of mans actions ,and they are increasing ,not getting less 

,in the dinosaurs days ,there were very few desserts.

collectively this planet is drying up because of bad farming practices like,over grazing and fertilizers,

each degree rise in temperature means 10%crop loss

and there is less and less water (because of deforestation),to irrigate this production ,
and there are less and less farmers to do it..
who are overpumping deep carbon aquifiers
who are plowing more and more unstable lands because they have lost so many million hectares to desertification ,
because of bad farming practises ,such as using fertilizers and heavy machinary or over grazing

SOLUTIONS
Global warming is in theory reversable,but it will mean global co operation between all countries ,and taking into account human nature and the world politics ,it is unlikely that this will happen,

At least not untill we are all in the middle of planetary disastres and it becomes a battle for the survival of humanity every where.

if you want to help the planet ,plant a tree every week ,if everyone on the planet did we we would be able to reverse the destructive processes

reduce carbon emisions,and they are already working on that by alternative forms of energy and regulations on carbon producing materials,aerosol cans,burning rubbish,industrial chimneys,powerplants etc.

the capture of carbon and the production of water and assist the aquiferous manta.

the world bank pays large subsidies for reforrestation to capture carbon and the best tree for this is the Pawlonia 

Waterharvesting projects ,such as millions of small dams.to redirect over ground waterflows from the rains into the ground to supply subteranian water supplies.

the protection of existing forrests.

stop building more highways,urban planning to include vegetation stop building cities encourage people to return to the land to conduct their business from there which now has become possible thanks to the internet.

education to motivate people to auto sufficiency by building more home food gardens.

education on environmental awareness
education on family planning to curb over´populaion

Agricultural education and improvements to follow the principals or sustainability and soil management.

more environmental or land ,design to prevent bush fires,such as--fire breaks 

,more dams.regulations and control for public behaviour

alternative effeciant public transport to discourage the use of the internal conbustion engine

recicling wastes,limit water use

here are a 100 more ways to help
http://www.eco-gaia.net/forum-pt/index.p... Source

http://www.greenpeace.org/international/...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/natur...&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;Lester E Brown is the director and founder of the global institute of Environment in the United states .he has compiled a report based on all the satalite information available from NASA,and all the information that has 
come from Universities and American embassies WORLD WIDE ,
his little book--a planet under stress , Plan B has been trans lated into many languages and won the best book award in 2003 

i am a Permaculture Consultant for the department of Ecology for the regional government in Guerrero Mexico</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you gave a long question so you can expect a long answer,and it was not from the brains it was from world events </p>
<p>DESERTIFICATION<br />
this text is limited to effects of people in the country,industrial effects on the environment and the internal combustion engine as well as the over all effects of cities ,is another story</p>
<p>and some benificial attitudes thrown in gratis</p>
<p>POLITICS<br />
ecologists and scientists who work for politicians ,get paid by these politicians and they have downplayed the facts because solutions are expensive and means change and change effects many peoples incomes,and upsets profit margins,so most of the world is kept in the dark of the real things that are going on.</p>
<p>most people doubt if humanity affects climate change</p>
<p>thousands of people have no doubt about it and the many who are dead are past caring </p>
<p>many people forget about desertification<br />
desserts are like a fire they gobble up the edges with the heat and so grow.</p>
<p>when forrest are being exchanged for ashalt,concrete and desserts<br />
what is gonna keep this planet habitable for us </p>
<p>climate change is caused for a large part  by desertification ,and most desertification is caused by man<br />
the thinner ozone layer helps to speed this up.and this is caused mainly by air polution ,also as a result of mans actions </p>
<p>IN THE PAST<br />
the Building of the Spanish Armada deforrested Spain<br />
the Phoenician trading fleet turned Lebanon in a dessert<br />
Ganges Khan put everything to the sword and torch, then filled the wells with sand,<br />
the sun finished of the job and whole countries turned to wastelands. </p>
<p>TODAY<br />
the effects of modern day farming</p>
<p>Slash and burn destroys the protective vegetation (which helps to form the soil ),<br />
leaving it open to the Sun ,and then ,wind and, water erosion.<br />
The Plough turns the soil ,killing micro-biotic life (essential to soil building) and accelerates the drying out .<br />
Pressures of the :vehicles, cattle and rain impact brings the salt to the surface. </p>
<p>Mono cultures ,aided by chemicals Exhaust and pollutes the soil .<br />
Adding to this the effects of overgrazing has resulted in large scale desertification.</p>
<p>expanding populations and expanding farming ,that has to keep pace with the expanding populations are very strong forces that encroach upon the rainforest&#8217;s<br />
clearing them for farming and settlement areas .</p>
<p>Rainforest&#8217;s always are in third world countries and always in third world countries corruption and the need for money s highest </p>
<p>: i have seen lands that have been turned from jungle into desserts by people in a matter of a couple of years ,because of the slash and burn method used by settlers and expanding agriculture,and i have seen rivers dry up because of deforrestation in many places in Africa and Mexico ,</p>
<p>there are natural cycles in the planets life<br />
but a lot is influenced by mans existance ,and this is increasing with overpopulation,putting strains on Natural resources and increasing contaminations as well as destructions of essential componants the ensure living conditions for all life forms</p>
<p>in North Africa,India,Mexico ,millions of people are effected by land loss and desertification and some have died as a result</p>
<p>in china, thousands of what used to be farmers are running for their lives from the dust storms that have burried their towns and turned their lands into dessert,</p>
<p>,the Sahara is growing by 7 kilometers a year<br />
and all of the desserts we know are a results of mans actions ,and they are increasing ,not getting less </p>
<p>,in the dinosaurs days ,there were very few desserts.</p>
<p>collectively this planet is drying up because of bad farming practices like,over grazing and fertilizers,</p>
<p>each degree rise in temperature means 10%crop loss</p>
<p>and there is less and less water (because of deforestation),to irrigate this production ,<br />
and there are less and less farmers to do it..<br />
who are overpumping deep carbon aquifiers<br />
who are plowing more and more unstable lands because they have lost so many million hectares to desertification ,<br />
because of bad farming practises ,such as using fertilizers and heavy machinary or over grazing</p>
<p>SOLUTIONS<br />
Global warming is in theory reversable,but it will mean global co operation between all countries ,and taking into account human nature and the world politics ,it is unlikely that this will happen,</p>
<p>At least not untill we are all in the middle of planetary disastres and it becomes a battle for the survival of humanity every where.</p>
<p>if you want to help the planet ,plant a tree every week ,if everyone on the planet did we we would be able to reverse the destructive processes</p>
<p>reduce carbon emisions,and they are already working on that by alternative forms of energy and regulations on carbon producing materials,aerosol cans,burning rubbish,industrial chimneys,powerplants etc.</p>
<p>the capture of carbon and the production of water and assist the aquiferous manta.</p>
<p>the world bank pays large subsidies for reforrestation to capture carbon and the best tree for this is the Pawlonia </p>
<p>Waterharvesting projects ,such as millions of small dams.to redirect over ground waterflows from the rains into the ground to supply subteranian water supplies.</p>
<p>the protection of existing forrests.</p>
<p>stop building more highways,urban planning to include vegetation stop building cities encourage people to return to the land to conduct their business from there which now has become possible thanks to the internet.</p>
<p>education to motivate people to auto sufficiency by building more home food gardens.</p>
<p>education on environmental awareness<br />
education on family planning to curb over´populaion</p>
<p>Agricultural education and improvements to follow the principals or sustainability and soil management.</p>
<p>more environmental or land ,design to prevent bush fires,such as&#8211;fire breaks </p>
<p>,more dams.regulations and control for public behaviour</p>
<p>alternative effeciant public transport to discourage the use of the internal conbustion engine</p>
<p>recicling wastes,limit water use</p>
<p>here are a 100 more ways to help<br />
<a href="http://www.eco-gaia.net/forum-pt/index.p.." rel="nofollow">http://www.eco-gaia.net/forum-pt/index.p..</a>. Source</p>
<p><a href="http://www.greenpeace.org/international/.." rel="nofollow">http://www.greenpeace.org/international/..</a>.</p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/natur.." rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/natur..</a>.<br /><b>References : </b><br />Lester E Brown is the director and founder of the global institute of Environment in the United states .he has compiled a report based on all the satalite information available from NASA,and all the information that has<br />
come from Universities and American embassies WORLD WIDE ,<br />
his little book&#8211;a planet under stress , Plan B has been trans lated into many languages and won the best book award in 2003 </p>
<p>i am a Permaculture Consultant for the department of Ecology for the regional government in Guerrero Mexico</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
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		<description>The swindle movie suggested above is wrong.  It is simply a political statement which distorts science.  The director has a history of putting out misleading stuff.  In 1997 he made a series for Channel 4 called “Against Nature”, which compared environmentalists with Nazis. Channel 4 had to apologise for the misleading stuff in that one.  The present movie is also a distortion of the science. More here:

http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/climate_change/article2355956.ece

&quot;A Channel 4 documentary claimed that climate change was a conspiratorial lie. But an analysis of the evidence it used shows the film was riddled with distortions and errors.&quot;

http://www.medialens.org/alerts/07/0313pure_propaganda_the.php

&quot;Pure Propaganda&quot;

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/03/swindled/

Explanations of why the science is wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Durkin_(television_director)

History of the director.

http://environment.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,,2032572,00.html

&quot;The science might be bunkum, the research discredited. But all that counts for Channel 4 is generating controversy.&quot;  

Gore&#039;s movie may be a little over dramatic, but it has the basic science right.  This movie does not.

Channel 4 itself undercuts the movie in a funny way.  If you go to their website on the movie you find links to real global warming information.  They also have a way to &quot;Ask the Expert&quot; about global warming.  The questions go to a respected mainstream scientist who supports (mostly) human responsibility for global warming.

Global warming is real and mostly man made.  Here&#039;s a brief version of the data.  It&#039;s all there, the sun, volcanoes, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Climate_Change_Attribution.png&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The swindle movie suggested above is wrong.  It is simply a political statement which distorts science.  The director has a history of putting out misleading stuff.  In 1997 he made a series for Channel 4 called “Against Nature”, which compared environmentalists with Nazis. Channel 4 had to apologise for the misleading stuff in that one.  The present movie is also a distortion of the science. More here:</p>
<p><a href="http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/climate_change/article2355956.ece" rel="nofollow">http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/climate_change/article2355956.ece</a></p>
<p>&quot;A Channel 4 documentary claimed that climate change was a conspiratorial lie. But an analysis of the evidence it used shows the film was riddled with distortions and errors.&quot;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.medialens.org/alerts/07/0313pure_propaganda_the.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.medialens.org/alerts/07/0313pure_propaganda_the.php</a></p>
<p>&quot;Pure Propaganda&quot;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/03/swindled/" rel="nofollow">http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/03/swindled/</a></p>
<p>Explanations of why the science is wrong.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Durkin_(television_director)" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Durkin_(television_director)</a></p>
<p>History of the director.</p>
<p><a href="http://environment.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,,2032572,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://environment.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,,2032572,00.html</a></p>
<p>&quot;The science might be bunkum, the research discredited. But all that counts for Channel 4 is generating controversy.&quot;  </p>
<p>Gore&#8217;s movie may be a little over dramatic, but it has the basic science right.  This movie does not.</p>
<p>Channel 4 itself undercuts the movie in a funny way.  If you go to their website on the movie you find links to real global warming information.  They also have a way to &quot;Ask the Expert&quot; about global warming.  The questions go to a respected mainstream scientist who supports (mostly) human responsibility for global warming.</p>
<p>Global warming is real and mostly man made.  Here&#8217;s a brief version of the data.  It&#8217;s all there, the sun, volcanoes, etc.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Climate_Change_Attribution.png" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Climate_Change_Attribution.png</a><br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Barry L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 10:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee, sounds like you visited Friendsofscience.org.

If you haven&#039;t seen The Great Global Warming Swindle, it&#039;s must viewing and gives insights into the situation that Al Gore has avoided.  See also the Green House Conspiracy, an older documentary.  Look on Google Video.

If you need some thoughts about the rising sea levels GW is supposed to incur, have a look at this.

http://www.stuffintheair.com/rising-ocean-levels.html

There is lots of good stuff out there.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, sounds like you visited Friendsofscience.org.</p>
<p>If you haven&#8217;t seen The Great Global Warming Swindle, it&#8217;s must viewing and gives insights into the situation that Al Gore has avoided.  See also the Green House Conspiracy, an older documentary.  Look on Google Video.</p>
<p>If you need some thoughts about the rising sea levels GW is supposed to incur, have a look at this.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.stuffintheair.com/rising-ocean-levels.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.stuffintheair.com/rising-ocean-levels.html</a></p>
<p>There is lots of good stuff out there.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: imajiknation</title>
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		<dc:creator>imajiknation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 10:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two little facts:
1. CO2 levels are around 400 ppm right now, the haven&#039;t passed 300 since the first ice age (according to captured co2 in artic ice layers).
2. You just don&#039;t wanna go to the trouble of getting off your ass to change your light bulbs and turn down your AC.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two little facts:<br />
1. CO2 levels are around 400 ppm right now, the haven&#8217;t passed 300 since the first ice age (according to captured co2 in artic ice layers).<br />
2. You just don&#8217;t wanna go to the trouble of getting off your ass to change your light bulbs and turn down your AC.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: kapute2</title>
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		<dc:creator>kapute2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 09:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you&#039;re going to make a lot of enemies! Algore will sic his SS detail on you!I&#039;d like any &quot;global warming&quot; nuts to show some evidence, and not just make a statement as if that alone will support it&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you&#8217;re going to make a lot of enemies! Algore will sic his SS detail on you!I&#8217;d like any &quot;global warming&quot; nuts to show some evidence, and not just make a statement as if that alone will support it<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: chrishomingtang</title>
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		<dc:creator>chrishomingtang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 09:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why dont u use ur brain
global warming is real&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why dont u use ur brain<br />
global warming is real<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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